Spread Offensive Line Coaches

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Comment by Jamin Savell on January 5, 2012 at 1:13pm

Do any of you run the jet read?  If so, do you read the PSDE and use power blocking rules up front?

Comment by CODY GARDNER on January 2, 2012 at 10:07pm

We are no huddle with every playing having a wristband. Three panels of plays, each panel has a key word to reference the panel. All of are plays are on the panels, pass pro is on the pass plays, color coded for snap count, but the plays are listed fully. Formation, back h***, run concept, ex; "ace loop 34 veer", so ace formation, loop motion( rt slot wr motions left and at snap reverse back right to be pitchman) 3 back( rb in pistol. "4" means hip) 4 h***, veer, reading first man head up outside tackle.

If we run split back 3 is left back and 4 is right. Ace 3 is pistol, 4 means on qb hip, these are the same for the two back pistol formation, we call it king and queen, depending on if the 4 back is to the strong or week side.

Nice part about king and queen is the flexablity, we can run veer to one side with three different looks,
Twins rt king 34 veer
Twins rt king 44 veer
Twins rt queen 34 veer
First number is the dive back.

Also run iso & trap from it, as wells as GT and power. It's pretty much just offset I formation....

Comment by Jamin Savell on January 2, 2012 at 6:08pm

Coach Welch, that's good stuff.  I like ace whether it's in the gun, pistol or under center because of throwing the defense for a loop and I agree with the principles you talked about with your personnel. 

Cody, that's what we do vs defenses that spin down and stunt into our motion side. 

How do you guys call your stuff?  Are you a "Dallas is Draw" "Iowa is Iso", etc or do you number your plays?  Are you no huddle?  Personally, I like numbering my runs and wording pass plays and no-huddling it in and tagging random numbers to pass protections so the QB is saying the same for runs and pa****.

Comment by CODY GARDNER on January 2, 2012 at 2:56pm

We run veer, midline, trap, GT, and jet. We can run all of it from ace, pistol and split back. In ace, we use our receivers, no need for a fast fullback. Your pitch back is a wr. We motion the wr behind the tailback, for veer and GT. Plus we run motion that reverse back at the snap so we can go either way with motion and a pistol set. We had people start blitzing toward the motion. So we would reverse motion and run veer away from the blitz or better yet is run GT away from motion which gave us huge numbers the other way. Sounds like you want to run a lot of the things we do. We were a I option team before we changed but we are still a power running team at heart. Wr barely ran bubble this year, we had a little luck with a tunnel screen. But are big pass plays came from play action of veer, the olb and safety would crash down and we would hit a quick slant, behind olb and inside of safety.

Comment by Coach Welch on January 2, 2012 at 9:12am

Coach Savell,

 

We are "spread" or rather a "gun" team that is a primarily built upon running the ball.  We are this way due to a lack of physically talented receivers.  In fact this past year I don’t know that we ran a play with out a TE.  We ran 773 offensive plays in total maybe 10 were under center (victory and QB sneak) our percentages break down to 63% run and 37% pass.  We don't use pistol and are never two back.  We used a lot of "ace" (two tights) and do have a decent running qb that demanded respect.  We are mostly a zone and kick-out team.  Here are our reasons for who we are (Great QB (good thrower, good runner) decent RB, athletic TE (stretch field block okay, 2nd TE primary undersized body but a tenacious blocker), large OL, 1 good Rec, 1 possession Rec, rest of Rec inconsistent).  We are check team (we like running two certain fronts for certain plays, 3-6 or N-5-9), playing with a TE controls how a teams lines up or you see their tendencies and then can control what you want to run by formation.  However, the equalizer all defenses hate is ACE because you balance them and can run either way especially to what you like.  I could go on for forever, let me know what you want to discuss further if you do.  This is the time of year to get a plan together and install as much as possible on the boards.

Comment by Jamin Savell on January 1, 2012 at 9:36pm

Right now I'm in the flexbone.  I really prefer to cram the ball down someone's throat and base out of that because a lot of the spread teams we see are real gimicky as far as basing their entire offense off of perimeter screens.  Personally, I'd like to take I "principles" and apply it to the spread (ISO's, leads, traps, GT's) and get some kind of option game out of it. One thing I'm thinking of (if I ever get a fullback fast enough and smart enough) is run the triple out of the pistol to open the field up as well.

As far as pass vs run, I want to run out of it to put pressure on the outside linebackers.  If they want to cheat in to stop the run, go the the quick passing game; if they want to stay wide, run the ball. 

I do know that dabbling is dangerous and that's what a team I was a part of did.  Thanks for your input Cody.

Comment by CODY GARDNER on December 29, 2011 at 9:47am

Jamin Savell,

I love the spread and we are a running team.  We are in one back or pistol with 4 wr.  The flexiblity is what I like, we had a stud rb and a two starter at QB, with young recievers.  So we ran option and opened up the passing game for the young guys.  Now next year, our rb graduated(qb will be a sr), we will need to pass more.  Plus with our use of the slot recivers as either pitch guys or on jet we will still be able to run the same stuff and be able to get our most talented players the ball. 

 I think I can tell that you know dabbling in a offense is dangerous stuff. Our offense is a very time consuming thing to run, we have to practice our reads and ball handling everyday we are together, starting in the spring. We spread it and run veer, trap, midline and GT. Our kids know that this what we have to be able to do. 

What are you running now? Can it be done from spread? Are you wanting to pass or run?

Comment by Jamin Savell on December 29, 2011 at 12:05am

All right boys, I'm looking for favors.  Do you guys like running the spread or is this something you just coach in?  Also, are you more of a true passing team; screens, sprint outs and draws; option; wing-t; or power running game out of the spread?  Do you like it and is this something you're 100% sold on?  The reason I'm asking is I'm interested in it and have been in a "dabble" version of it instead of a sold out version.  Thanks in advance.

Comment by CODY GARDNER on August 4, 2010 at 11:40pm

We run veer, midline, power, counter, trap, counter option, trap option, power option. Lots of bubble screen. We stay in ace back, quads as much as possible, we will run a two back set but not if we can help it. We will motion to veer or have the slot be the pitch man.

Comment by lancerpride on July 5, 2010 at 3:49pm

we run alot of empty sets and the first thing the center has to do is identify the box. If there are five in the box everyone is man. If he calls six then front side is man and backside fans. The qb has the first LB to the call for the hot read if the LB bltzes.

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