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Just wanted some of you opinions on all these combines people seem to put on. I personally believe they are a complete waste of time for kids to go to. Give me 90 bucks and I'll let you run a 40, shuttle, vert, broad and bench press 185, then I'll give you a t-shirt. I have never met a college coach that looks at a 40 time and determines if a kid is good enough or not. COACHES WATCH FILM TO RECRUIT!!!! It is the same with college one days over the summer. Give me you $100 and we'll let other high school coaches, coach you. The kids that the actual college putting on the camp want to see are invited and watched by those coaches. I say this because it's sad to see some kids whos families can't afford dinner waste their money on stuff like this.
Sure running a 4.9 in the 40 at 290 lbs will turn some heads, but that doesn't mean a kid can play... Just ask Al Davis.
Sure running a 4.9 in the 40 at 290 lbs will turn some heads, but that doesn't mean a kid can play... Just ask Al Davis.
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Permalink Reply by Todd Reeves on -
I've got to disagree. The local High School Coaches association put one on here. A local college hosts it and they charge $15 per kid. Div. 1 coaches are not allowed to come to these (not just this one, that's a new rule this year). It gives the non D-1 kids a chance to be seen, and it gives the coaches that are looking for sub D-1 kids a chance to see a lot of kids in one spot. It's not a stand alone deal, but it may confirm what they've already seen on film, or it may alert them to a kid that they previously didn't know about, so they can go watch film on him.
The college one-days are another deal. I would suspect that the NCAA is looking at these and may shut them down. I understand why they do them, and why they invite kids to them, but they shouldn't be marketed to kids that have no chance of getting a scholarship there.
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Permalink Reply by Jimmy Lamour on -
I also believe they can benefit the kids that are not Division 1 material. It is also a great place to assess your athletic ability versus other area talent. I personally do not believe that running a fast 40 or benching will make you a better football player, but if it is going to add a benefit to help the kids get recruited then I am all for it. I don’t believe in filling up camps just to make a lot of money, but opportunity as well as quality coaching is priceless. There are many athletes that could have played while obtaining scholarship money but were not exposed to lower level schools. This is why we offer our combines at http://www.stepaheadathleticscamps.com .
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Permalink Reply by Peter Rodeno on -
Todd,
I agree with some of your points. That is great that a high school coaching association puts one on. The kids parents force them to go to these believing it will help them earn D-1 scholarships. They go with their kids and pose as coaches and because the people who put them on know nothing believe them. I agree for an under the radar type kid they can open some eyes, but once again, the film doesn't lie. In many cases it gives kids a false sense of reality. Take this example... A kid goes to one of these things, he's a freshman (as of right now) and is 5'10'' 355 lbs. He's a tough strong kid, but not a great athlete. He goes out there, runs a 6.1 40 and earns the MVP as the best defensive lineman, how is that possible, slow, no technique... Now his parent/guardian believes this means he's one of the top d-linemen in the country and is guaranteed to be a starter, but in reality is not the 3rd best d-tackle we have. Now the kid thinks he's better than he is. From what I have gathered from the college coaches I have talked to/know they think these things are a big waste of time. I personally participated in the NIKE Camp in high school, but I think Under Armor and NIke camps are a complete different animal, they are invite only. I guess I was spoiled by my high school coach because he worked his butt off to get kids opportunities and I now work with him and he still does. He will try and get the 5th string safety a chance. I guess a lot of kids don't have these types of guys in their corner.
Either way I can see over the fence to the other side of the argument!
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Permalink Reply by kenny kaufmann on -
i like the combines, when i was in high school i went to the nike combine and alot of scouts seen me and the way i worked hard and was a very charicteristic guy and liked what they seen. college coaches dont look at 5"7 240 middle linebackers on film but in the combine i turned heads and i had a full ride to FSU but i blew my knee out the last game of the year
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Permalink Reply by allejandro santana on
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I use to coach at the NAIA level and D-II level and those combines do MORE then run 40s and things like that.. there are alot of drills they run and it does help a kid get out there. if a kid looks good at a combine and we see that we can then go look at flim BUT if dont see him we might never know unless we saw him stand out in that one on one pass pro drill.. and as for the al davis comment yes that might be true but tell me how if that kid didnt go to the combine and work and run that 4.9 will do him any better? this game on that level is about getting yourself out there becasue they r tons of great players out there who just cant get there name out enough.
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Permalink Reply by allejandro santana on
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if you win D line MVP at a combine you have to have something no matter what u say its fact this combines that have drills BRING the top players around so if he does win that as a freshmen in highschool thts a good sign and im pretty sure he would be a starter unless someone no one truns out to the combine but him lol
Peter Rodeno said:Todd,
I agree with some of your points. That is great that a high school coaching association puts one on. The kids parents force them to go to these believing it will help them earn D-1 scholarships. They go with their kids and pose as coaches and because the people who put them on know nothing believe them. I agree for an under the radar type kid they can open some eyes, but once again, the film doesn't lie. In many cases it gives kids a false sense of reality. Take this example... A kid goes to one of these things, he's a freshman (as of right now) and is 5'10'' 355 lbs. He's a tough strong kid, but not a great athlete. He goes out there, runs a 6.1 40 and earns the MVP as the best defensive lineman, how is that possible, slow, no technique... Now his parent/guardian believes this means he's one of the top d-linemen in the country and is guaranteed to be a starter, but in reality is not the 3rd best d-tackle we have. Now the kid thinks he's better than he is. From what I have gathered from the college coaches I have talked to/know they think these things are a big waste of time. I personally participated in the NIKE Camp in high school, but I think Under Armor and NIke camps are a complete different animal, they are invite only. I guess I was spoiled by my high school coach because he worked his butt off to get kids opportunities and I now work with him and he still does. He will try and get the 5th string safety a chance. I guess a lot of kids don't have these types of guys in their corner.
Either way I can see over the fence to the other side of the argument!
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